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>> the fiscal cliff is something he will talk about, say they have to solve this. he's talked before about the upside and said twice already the federal reserve cannot off-set the effects of the fiscal cliff. the fed could -- one idea -- the fed could keep a little bit of powder dry if we do go off the cliff, the fed has something it could do. >> mike duke last night the ceo of walmart spoke and he sa said -- they poll their shoppers all the time. a week before the election, 25% of walmart customers knew about the fiscal cliff. one week after the election, 75% of their shoppers know about the fiscal cliff and 15% say it means they will spend less on christmas. it's pre-telling, right? >> apparently the walmart shopper is more informed than the average american. we showed 70%. that's out there. it's something that affects people. it was clear in the data there was an effect of the fiscal cliff on overall economic attitudes. the more important thing we found is that it affects businesses and businesses slow down in capital spending. you're an economic student and you
>> the fiscal cliff is something he will talk about, say they have to solve this. he's talked before about the upside and said twice already the federal reserve cannot off-set the effects of the fiscal cliff. the fed could -- one idea -- the fed could keep a little bit of powder dry if we do go off the cliff, the fed has something it could do. >> mike duke last night the ceo of walmart spoke and he sa said -- they poll their shoppers all the time. a week before the election, 25% of...
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ted nugent weighs in on the fiscal cliff fiasco something he said we drove off a long time ago. he writes in "the washington times" social security, medicaid and medicare spending needs to be slaughtered and let's stop the insanity of the right to vote of any american on welfare. once they get off well taer and are self-sustaining they get their right restored. no american on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those americans working and paying taxes to support them. >>> and "the daily show's" jon stewart says maybe we should go off the fiscal cliff. >> back and forth of offers. it's pretty clear the republicans aren't going to come to the table with anything reasonable. i'll be the one to say it, i know it will be disastrous and doom our economy for years to come, let's go over the [ bleep ] cliff. fine. just leave the negotiating tables and send us over the cliff. you know why? at least for a few seconds, it will feel like we're flying. >> all right. that's going to wrap things up for me today. thanks for your time. see you back here tomorrow at 11:00 e
ted nugent weighs in on the fiscal cliff fiasco something he said we drove off a long time ago. he writes in "the washington times" social security, medicaid and medicare spending needs to be slaughtered and let's stop the insanity of the right to vote of any american on welfare. once they get off well taer and are self-sustaining they get their right restored. no american on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those americans working and paying taxes to support...
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bernanke, if i could follow up on your last response there, given on the fiscal cliff, it s it possible if policy makers didn't agree to a deficit deal by the end of the year and we were to two over the fiscal cliff that size of the asset purchase could indeed grow in response to that. and more specifically the coined the phrase fiscal cliff. and i want to get your take on whether you feel it is still the most appropriate language to describe what will happen at the againing of the year. some are some americans alarmed by the term. do you feel it is appropriate with the fiscal contraction that would come if there is no deal? >> well, the first part of your question is, it is the economy went off the fiscal cliff, our assessment, cvo, all think there are adverse effects on the economy and unemployment rate. so on the margin we would try to do what we could. perhaps increase a bit. but again, i i want to be clear that we cannot offset the full impact. it is too big given tools and limitations on policy tool kit at this point. on terms of the terminology, well, and people have different pr
bernanke, if i could follow up on your last response there, given on the fiscal cliff, it s it possible if policy makers didn't agree to a deficit deal by the end of the year and we were to two over the fiscal cliff that size of the asset purchase could indeed grow in response to that. and more specifically the coined the phrase fiscal cliff. and i want to get your take on whether you feel it is still the most appropriate language to describe what will happen at the againing of the year. some...
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we've asked in the survey how serious a problem is the fiscal cliff? and you get 68% of the people saying it's a very serious problem, which tells you something when you're talking about something abstract like tax and budget politics which people don't ordinarily pay attention to. they've gotten it. but what we're seeing in this poll, joe, is the after glow of the election. typically when presidents get re-elected, the partisan fighting stops. their numbers rise. the president's approval rating 53%. when you ask, who do you trust to handle the fiscal cliff, it shows how the president has the upper hand. 38% say they trust president obama. that's twice as many as trust speaker boehner, although the 38%, of course, is under 50%. >> 38%. oh, man. but when you look at the potential solutions, does obama have a mandate? we asked that question. you see very big numbers, 68% says he has a mandate to cut taxes for people who earn less than 250k. 65% say he has a mandate to raise taxes on the wealthy while cutting spending. both elements are important. and whe
we've asked in the survey how serious a problem is the fiscal cliff? and you get 68% of the people saying it's a very serious problem, which tells you something when you're talking about something abstract like tax and budget politics which people don't ordinarily pay attention to. they've gotten it. but what we're seeing in this poll, joe, is the after glow of the election. typically when presidents get re-elected, the partisan fighting stops. their numbers rise. the president's approval...
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both sides of the fiscal cliff negotiations are much closer than you may think despite what law makes say publicly. jackie calms of the "new york times" picked up on something that lawmaker tim cole said recently. >> the republicans should just declare victory and taking the 98% of the tax cuts that they agree on and work next year on tax reform and see if they can't get the top rate back down again. it's hard to think that that's not where they're going to end up so why not make it clean instead of ugly. >> i think it's true that many people are saying privatery what tom cole said publicly on the show. but they believe that the politically right thing to do right now is to cut that you are losses, let tax rates go up for the most wealthy and really try for significant tax reform so that 39.6% is going to be mute. >> so the good news is that negotiations do continue, there was a meeting today between president obama and house speaker john boehner. that happened at the white house today, we are frying to get more details, we're trying to get our white house chief correspondent jessica
both sides of the fiscal cliff negotiations are much closer than you may think despite what law makes say publicly. jackie calms of the "new york times" picked up on something that lawmaker tim cole said recently. >> the republicans should just declare victory and taking the 98% of the tax cuts that they agree on and work next year on tax reform and see if they can't get the top rate back down again. it's hard to think that that's not where they're going to end up so why not...
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it's china, i think the second largest customer of china, the u.s., avoiding the fiscal cliff, will be very good for them. you look at the build that it's had over the past three weeks, judge, it's up from roughly 35, pushing up towards 39 right now, that etf is, and i think if and when we do push this behind us, the fiscal cliff, that is, i think this one goes into the mid 40s. so i would buy fxi. >> let's debate these around the table a little bit. stephanie? i mean you're more positive i guess than negative on china. you like the fxi? >> we have been involved in it for awhile. we like a lot of the industrials. we like a lot of the mining stocks. >> have we talked about that one? >> maybe just a little bit. i do think you are definitely seeing some momentum pick up in china. and some of the nonbelievers are starting to become believers. and the data over the weekend was pretty compelling. other than the trade data and the export data, which i think people are expecting it to be a little bit soft given what's going on in the global world. but you look at retail sales and industrial pr
it's china, i think the second largest customer of china, the u.s., avoiding the fiscal cliff, will be very good for them. you look at the build that it's had over the past three weeks, judge, it's up from roughly 35, pushing up towards 39 right now, that etf is, and i think if and when we do push this behind us, the fiscal cliff, that is, i think this one goes into the mid 40s. so i would buy fxi. >> let's debate these around the table a little bit. stephanie? i mean you're more positive...
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it's unclear the fate of the benefits in the fiscal cliff fight, something that terrifies people like alisia worthen. you've been looking for a job for more than six months. are you more optimistic or less optimistic? >> i believe it's going to turn around. it will probably take a little time but i believe it will. >> you need the government to help now until that happens? >> yes, i definitely do. i have a household to run, still have rent and bills to pay and i need help. i need help. >> millions of people like alecia. she still needs an unemployment check, unclear of the fate of jobless benefits and extension of those in the faiscal cliff fight. conservatives say it's time to end it. >> she has a degree in a field that you would think she would be able to get a job in. accounting. >> she worked for a government agency, she was a child support enforcement office, she worked in child support and all these government jobs keep getting -- so it's budget cuts on one end and budget cuts at the other end. >> thank you. >>> still ahead, is weight an issue when it comes to the white house? h
it's unclear the fate of the benefits in the fiscal cliff fight, something that terrifies people like alisia worthen. you've been looking for a job for more than six months. are you more optimistic or less optimistic? >> i believe it's going to turn around. it will probably take a little time but i believe it will. >> you need the government to help now until that happens? >> yes, i definitely do. i have a household to run, still have rent and bills to pay and i need help. i...
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don't go over a fiscal cliff." or, you know, "pay our bills," or, "do something about the budget." now, i think even though the people tend to not be open to a lot of different views, they want the people they elect to make government work. >> so, we have created a political system that rewards intransigence. >> we've created a system that says, "we reward incivility. we reward refusal to compromise. we punish people who compromise and are civil and get along well with the people on the other side of the aisle." so, why are we surprised that that's what we get in everything in life? you get what you reward. and you don't get what you punish. and that's what we've done to our political system. >> what's in store for the fate of a democracy that cannot be flexible enough to compromise between its strongly-held prejudices? >> you know, if you have hardening of the arteries, it'll kill you as a person and it'll kill you as a country. what you have to do is to be able to maintain the health of the democracy by saying, "it depends on people of different perspectives to come together, hav
don't go over a fiscal cliff." or, you know, "pay our bills," or, "do something about the budget." now, i think even though the people tend to not be open to a lot of different views, they want the people they elect to make government work. >> so, we have created a political system that rewards intransigence. >> we've created a system that says, "we reward incivility. we reward refusal to compromise. we punish people who compromise and are civil and get...
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. >> this is something very, very quickly on the talks. the fiscal cliff. how many "meet the press"s do we have left? >> we may have a lot. my indications from the hill and the white house, you are probably hearing this. they really are dug in on they have to give on rates first. >> they don't want to negotiate? >> they don't want to negotiate on medicare to find out they won't negotiate on the taxes. they can do a middle class tax deal and delay the sequester. they could avoid the deadline. >> good news for every sunday. >> i do think people have a high level of frustration with this. >> cynicism. you see it. the public gets it and they are not happy about it. >> thanks. >> congratulations and ebook. i will download it now, i promise. from nbc publishing is available on your ipad and ipad minis. >> i love it. it saved my life. >> you could watch "meet the press" on your local station. quickly before we go to break, opening bell just rang on wall street. the market starting in positive territory. everyone anticipating the announcement of qe 4. the fed chair
. >> this is something very, very quickly on the talks. the fiscal cliff. how many "meet the press"s do we have left? >> we may have a lot. my indications from the hill and the white house, you are probably hearing this. they really are dug in on they have to give on rates first. >> they don't want to negotiate? >> they don't want to negotiate on medicare to find out they won't negotiate on the taxes. they can do a middle class tax deal and delay the sequester....
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the fiscal cliff hits. the arguments i just pa about the withholding tables and cutting spending, are not generally talked about. a lot of people deny they can be done. we're confident they can. so the question then becomes what's the impact, where is the impact. and the impact is equity markets end of next week will say these guys aren't going to get it done, we won't have a deal january 1, everything falls apart, that's assuming of course we all get past december 21st. >> so basically week and counting before you think the equity market really drops significantly? >> if we do get a deal done do, we just maintain the 2% that we're stuck in with the high unemployment and not go down? or does it actually allow us to start growing again? is anybody talking growth? >> we're talking growth. >> is it possible to ever get back to that in this environment? >> it is. you have a lot of problems with the piece. >> do you briyou believe if you rote deficit -- two different ways. you either keep the government that you
the fiscal cliff hits. the arguments i just pa about the withholding tables and cutting spending, are not generally talked about. a lot of people deny they can be done. we're confident they can. so the question then becomes what's the impact, where is the impact. and the impact is equity markets end of next week will say these guys aren't going to get it done, we won't have a deal january 1, everything falls apart, that's assuming of course we all get past december 21st. >> so basically...
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couldn't the sandy weakness then be followed by fiscal cliff worry weakness. even if we don't go over the cliff. we could go above 8% and all of a sudden -- >> we could. and i'm expecting over 8% today or around 8% or more. and just to explain, there's a couple things going on. it's an earlier thanksgiving. so as i understand it, the bls moved survey week backwards to 11/5 from 111/12. that means it further back into the teeth of sandy's effects. all the peek out ople out of wo couldn't find work if they were looking for it. however the earlier thanksgiving also means retailers hire earlier. so you have these two forces. and zandi said there was two things, plus 86 from sandy, minus 60 or 70 because you have a seasonal effect of earlier retailers. on the jobs number. on the jobs number. so these offset? hiring for retail means a positive. less hiring for -- because of sandy is a negative. could they offset? >> there has to be some netting. there are special effects in the reports you're trying to sort out. and there's also the question of what the the economy
couldn't the sandy weakness then be followed by fiscal cliff worry weakness. even if we don't go over the cliff. we could go above 8% and all of a sudden -- >> we could. and i'm expecting over 8% today or around 8% or more. and just to explain, there's a couple things going on. it's an earlier thanksgiving. so as i understand it, the bls moved survey week backwards to 11/5 from 111/12. that means it further back into the teeth of sandy's effects. all the peek out ople out of wo couldn't...
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this fiscal cliff media coverage is absurd. you people are grown adults. get something done. if i could get something done in my job, i would probably be terminated by now. enough already. do something for all americans, not just your party. >> guest: the only criticism i would have with that comment is we're not the ones that are negotiating. there's a limited number of people. i believe if you put me in the room i could get a deal done. but i wouldn't do it -- i would like all republicans up and say what is it we believe in? we willing to give $800 million in terms of income. here's what one for the. here's where we're going to stand. we had to reform medicare to some degree because the real spending is this demographic shift in growth and medicare entitlements. here's what we have to have. most people don't realize the size of token is twice the size was 11 years ago. how many people realize that? that in 11 just the federal government is twice the size in terms of dollars and people? most people don't realize that. so here's the things we have to have and i would say mr.
this fiscal cliff media coverage is absurd. you people are grown adults. get something done. if i could get something done in my job, i would probably be terminated by now. enough already. do something for all americans, not just your party. >> guest: the only criticism i would have with that comment is we're not the ones that are negotiating. there's a limited number of people. i believe if you put me in the room i could get a deal done. but i wouldn't do it -- i would like all...
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frankly the fiscal cliff, josh and i have talked about this, wouldn't cause me to do anything. i don't run my fort folio purely for tax consequences. if something's near your price target and you're a holder, then you want to sell. but truth of the matter is is that it's not going to affect that many people. you're talking about what's not a huge increase in terms of the capital gains on a percentage basis. go from 20% to 25% is not that big of deal if you're looking for 30% upside in a name. >> there are people who are selling stocks based on an expected rise in the capital gains rate. >> it may be a huge mistake. >> why not sell and buy it back? >> because then you're pushing your taxes you're paying forward. those taxes that you're paying, you're losing use of that capital for compounding. that's why you don't do it. if you're in the upper, upper brackets maybe you want to consider it. >> let me push back on sprint. there was news david faber was talking about. this sprint/clearwire deal is closer. that doesn't change -- >> not at all. a distant third in a two horse race. i
frankly the fiscal cliff, josh and i have talked about this, wouldn't cause me to do anything. i don't run my fort folio purely for tax consequences. if something's near your price target and you're a holder, then you want to sell. but truth of the matter is is that it's not going to affect that many people. you're talking about what's not a huge increase in terms of the capital gains on a percentage basis. go from 20% to 25% is not that big of deal if you're looking for 30% upside in a name....
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so that may have something to do with the fiscal cliff. there's a bit of a slowdown there. the economy is moving along, not as robustly as they'd like it to be, which is why they extend this to make money cheaper. >> what does that mean for businesses in terms of confidence? >> the first gauge we get is to see how markets are doing. there's a bit of a rally on the stock market as a result. you can never trust what happens immediately after these announcements because it could be traders doing things. dow subpoena a quarter there. you can see 27 basis points right now. what it means is the same thing it meant until now. we have long-term low interest rates. it's cheap to borrow money in america. it's not necessarily easy it to borrow money. lending standards are still high, and many businesses as we have seen that either have cash or access to credit are not making decisions until they have some certainty about what government is going to do. we may get that certainty as soon as we get a fiscal cliff deal, maybe january or february by the time we know what will happen. that
so that may have something to do with the fiscal cliff. there's a bit of a slowdown there. the economy is moving along, not as robustly as they'd like it to be, which is why they extend this to make money cheaper. >> what does that mean for businesses in terms of confidence? >> the first gauge we get is to see how markets are doing. there's a bit of a rally on the stock market as a result. you can never trust what happens immediately after these announcements because it could be...
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it would be something like that. but remember, these guys hate the fiscal cliff. you know, it has caused this enormous problem. so the idea of setting up another fiscal cliff six months from now is pretty unappealing. but they'll have to go there. they just haven't quite figured out how to go there yet. >> harold, jump in. to an extent you'd feel the republicans are cornered on their position a bit, especially with this 2% in terms of raising tax rates? how do they get around this and argue back? i don't see it. >> well, i think early on, if you think about a year ago, a little over a year ago, the republicans had a better deal than what's put on the table now. they had a 3 1/2 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. you're looking at best a 2-1, pure politics. so they've lost that part of the argument. you flip it over and i think these numbers that we're seeing this morning that we've all commented on -- and i happen to agree with steve and david's analysis that at the end of the day, we'll just extend the cuts for middle-class earners and raise it on the top e
it would be something like that. but remember, these guys hate the fiscal cliff. you know, it has caused this enormous problem. so the idea of setting up another fiscal cliff six months from now is pretty unappealing. but they'll have to go there. they just haven't quite figured out how to go there yet. >> harold, jump in. to an extent you'd feel the republicans are cornered on their position a bit, especially with this 2% in terms of raising tax rates? how do they get around this and...
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it comes around the issue of the fiscal cliff talks about what the party wants to be. whether there's going to be a tea party 2 or whether there's something of a vacuum that doesn't get filled with demint leaving the senate. >> all right. david, thank you so much. we'll be watching "meet the press" this sunday as we do every sunday. eugene, thank you as well. your latest column online at washingtonpost.com. >> guard that mustache, gene. >> i'm going to guard it with my life. >> and congressman emanuel cleaver, great to have you on set with us. >>> coming up, nbc chief white house correspondent chuck todd. and later in the show, "the economist" crunched the numbers and came up with the best countries to be born in in 2013. and the united states does not top their list. we'll find out who does ahead on "morning joe." [ male announcer ] there are plenty of reasons to be jolly at the chevy year-end event because chevy's giving more. more efficiency with sonic and cruze... more function in equinox and traverse... more dependability with the legendary silverado... and more s
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is this something that can work out. like they did it wall street before the fiscal cliff hits? if we could rebuild when we're in such bad shape. host: thank you, judy. guest: repaying the money that was barred from social security. that money will be repaid unless congress does something different. think about the $2.7 trillion as spending authority for the social security administration. they can pay full benefits under the law. that money will be paid back over time unless congress changes something. putting more revenue money into social security, right now the appetite in congress is to cut spending. that might be a difficult sell. one reason the program is popular is it is self funded through payroll taxes. there's been a temporary cut in payroll taxes over the past two years. to change the funding of the nature could be done. advocates worry about the consequences of that and making it compete with other dollars with other government programs. congress doesn't touch it and still stays there. if it is competing for scarce dollars, it is more likely it will be cut. host: we
is this something that can work out. like they did it wall street before the fiscal cliff hits? if we could rebuild when we're in such bad shape. host: thank you, judy. guest: repaying the money that was barred from social security. that money will be repaid unless congress does something different. think about the $2.7 trillion as spending authority for the social security administration. they can pay full benefits under the law. that money will be paid back over time unless congress changes...
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the president has known about this fiscal cliff for over a year. and many of his decisions caused us to be in this position. >> stephanie: it is outlandish. it is what he ran on. it is outlandish he proposed doing it. >> the next thing will be a debt ceiling fight. let's be very clear. the debt ceiling is about money we have already spent in large part due to the continuing afghanistan war and the iraq war. this is money -- >> tax cuts for rich people. >> right right. and medicare part d but the point is it is money we've already spent based on republican policies going on for eight years. this is money that's already due that we're making payments on. >> stephanie: speaking of the tax cuts, george w. bush gave a speech yesterday. >> oh, nice. >> people listened? was it a learning appear ex thing? annex thing? >> stephanie: it was hosted by the george w. bush institute. one of the bush institutes' focuses is economic growth. [ ♪ circus ♪ ] >> he might need some bifocals on that focus. >> stephanie: he said his u.s. debates policy, we should do
the president has known about this fiscal cliff for over a year. and many of his decisions caused us to be in this position. >> stephanie: it is outlandish. it is what he ran on. it is outlandish he proposed doing it. >> the next thing will be a debt ceiling fight. let's be very clear. the debt ceiling is about money we have already spent in large part due to the continuing afghanistan war and the iraq war. this is money -- >> tax cuts for rich people. >> right right....
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cliff. it was yet another white house effort to rally support around its approach to the fiscal cliff. joe biden sitting down with seven middle class americans worried about their taxes going up. >> these are hard working, serious americans who are playing by the rules, doing it all right, and struggling already in this economy. >> reporter: jobs numbers, proof the administration says that the president's economic policies are paying off. >> you see it in the retail industry, you see it in transportation. you see it in health care. and you see it in other sectors. you do see a continued movement that continues to show some positive growth. >> reporter: while cautioning the nation's economy is far from a full recovery, administration officials emphasize positive growth, suggesting it puts them in a stronger negotiating position with republicans. one senior administration official told cnn, quote, we shouldn't muck it up by raising taxes on the middle class or playing chicken with the debt cei
cliff. it was yet another white house effort to rally support around its approach to the fiscal cliff. joe biden sitting down with seven middle class americans worried about their taxes going up. >> these are hard working, serious americans who are playing by the rules, doing it all right, and struggling already in this economy. >> reporter: jobs numbers, proof the administration says that the president's economic policies are paying off. >> you see it in the retail industry,...
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anyway, you would be hard pressed to find something who sdn have aen opinion on the fiscal cliff. this weekend, the ahead of the imf said the united states is more vulnerable to its domestic trouble more than anything else happening in the eurozone. christine lagarde says a balanced approach is needed and she says don't kick the can down the road, which is rich coming from a european. >>> european trading the lower this morning. italy's prime minister mario monti, yes, the same one that is famous from all the anti-trust things back in the -- was that the '90s? >> the '90s, yeah. >> monti announcing he'll step down before his term ends. the decision comes after the party of sylvia berlusconi withdrew support for monti's government last week. berlusconi has indicated he will run for leadership again. cnbc's carolin roth will join us from italy with the latest in a few minutes. when i was over there, i had to have the -- all the political signs translated because there's a picture of monti sitting under a beach chair drinking a drink and all the text was send monti to the beach. they
anyway, you would be hard pressed to find something who sdn have aen opinion on the fiscal cliff. this weekend, the ahead of the imf said the united states is more vulnerable to its domestic trouble more than anything else happening in the eurozone. christine lagarde says a balanced approach is needed and she says don't kick the can down the road, which is rich coming from a european. >>> european trading the lower this morning. italy's prime minister mario monti, yes, the same one...
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if we get through that, we got the debt ceiling -- man we can fix the fiscal cliff. we're going to hype -- i can't wait for the debt ceiling now. man is that going to be something, too. that's going to be our next thing. >> constant entertainment. >> oh, talk about it. >> you've got -- you think this is brinksmanship. when is the deadline? i can't wait. >> it's february, right? the beginning of february. >> what's the slogan for that? >> let me come up with that. >> negotiate up. >> we don't want this to end with the fiscal cliff. we got -- and it won't. anyway -- >> how about the s&p 500? >> coming up the hunt for yield at times of uncertainty. institutional investors looking for alternatives to the lower return on fixed income. we're going to talk to the north carolina treasurer and the co-founder of investment firm cambridge associated. >> over president barack obama's first term the federal debt to gdp ratio increased over 19%. it is projected to increase over 20% by the end of his second term. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. monarch of marketing analy
if we get through that, we got the debt ceiling -- man we can fix the fiscal cliff. we're going to hype -- i can't wait for the debt ceiling now. man is that going to be something, too. that's going to be our next thing. >> constant entertainment. >> oh, talk about it. >> you've got -- you think this is brinksmanship. when is the deadline? i can't wait. >> it's february, right? the beginning of february. >> what's the slogan for that? >> let me come up with...
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the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> no news. zip. still no agreement. we'll let you know if something significant happens. >>> developing now, hugo chavez undergoing surgery in cuba today. an operation that we're told was quote/unquote delicate. his health is a bit of a mystery, but we do know he had surgery last year to remove a cancerous tumor. still not yet clear what kind of operation he had today. updates as we get them. >>> broad daylight, on a crowded new york sidewalk, someone walks up to a man and shoots him, point blank range. today, a race for answers. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. >>> move over, america. a sobering new report suggests china is getting ready to surpass the u.s. economy. >>> plus -- >> this is the place where lisa was buried. >> cnn goes inside the search for da vinci's famous muse. ♪ ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list at the winter event going on now through december 31st. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho! [ male annou
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want the focus to be on the fiscal cliff. some conservatives did have issues regarding abortion and what it meant for the rights of the disabled while they were in the womb. there were a number of concerns. when i saw bob dole get wheeled in by his wife, former senator elizabeth dole, my heart melted. it meant a lot to people like john mccain, but that does not mean that some of these issues that some of these republicans had were not credible and are not -- we should just say, okay. there's a lot of treaties that have really pretty sounding name but the devil is in the detail. and i think that's what some of them felt when it came to this treaty. >> ana navaro and maria -- go ahead, maria, quickly. >> i hope ana is right and if republicans really want to do this right they will have another chance in the next congress and this is something where americans really need to step up. what happened yesterday was gop fear of the tea party. every single senator that voted against it was most likely up in 2014 except for one. >> okay
want the focus to be on the fiscal cliff. some conservatives did have issues regarding abortion and what it meant for the rights of the disabled while they were in the womb. there were a number of concerns. when i saw bob dole get wheeled in by his wife, former senator elizabeth dole, my heart melted. it meant a lot to people like john mccain, but that does not mean that some of these issues that some of these republicans had were not credible and are not -- we should just say, okay. there's a...
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you know, as we're approaching this fiscal cliff thing obviously everybody's talking about oh we've gotta cut the entitlements like medicare. you've been pointing out something for awhile that we don't have a medicare problem. we have a healthcare cost problem. explain please, healthcare geek. >> this is one of the things people should really pay attention to because the healthcare crisis in this country gets so complicate and convoluted that people tune it out and then the republicans have this incredible opportunity to swoop in and make stuff up. we don't have a medicare problem. we have a healthcare cost problem. there is no competition in the healthcare market place right now. >> stephanie: right. >> okay. and people make money in the healthcare industry when prices go up. >> right. >> corporations make money when prices go up. we're talking about medical device manufacturers, drug companies, health insurance companies, they all make money the higher the prices are. they have no incentive to work for the public good. their incent sieve to make money for shareholders. higher prices in
you know, as we're approaching this fiscal cliff thing obviously everybody's talking about oh we've gotta cut the entitlements like medicare. you've been pointing out something for awhile that we don't have a medicare problem. we have a healthcare cost problem. explain please, healthcare geek. >> this is one of the things people should really pay attention to because the healthcare crisis in this country gets so complicate and convoluted that people tune it out and then the republicans...
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and now, of course, we're going to have the issues of the fiscal cliff. i would say for something like mcdonald's, though, it does historically trade with a staple and could benefit from consumer tradedown. i would be less concerned about it specifically for that company. but you are right, we do continue to see declining trends in cruise, and las vegas gambling, and other segments we do cover. >> specifically on the restaurants, it was raised by the journal over the weekend, is there a structural change now, having gone throthe recession about the willingness of people to pay for this sort of luxury? do you think that we've had a substantial change that could last for years? >> i think people have better options. they have anything from the salad bar at whole foods. they can trade up, they can trade down. they have very good options for eating at home. i think the problem is, that the pie isn't growing that much. you have about a half a point of population growth. and you have expansion in all types of food categories. that competes for people's dollars.
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but one prominent democrat today suggesting he's more confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. >> three days ago i would have said that the chances of something being worked out were at best 20%. i feel a little bit more comfortable believing that something is going to be worked out, give it about a 70% chance. the fact that boehner and the president have pretty much gotten to a point where they'll be sitting down trying to work this out as opposed to a lot of cooks in the kitchen, i think that's helpful. >> the president has the upper hand on the politics right now. i mean, there are more people who make less than there are in the top 1%, top 5% or whatever. but will it create jobs? and while the president has spent most of this negotiation process talking about taxes, he hasn't talked about cuts as much as we want to see. >> joining me now, congressional reporter for roll call meredith shiner and washington bureau chief for "usa today" susan page. susan, you heard congressman cummings there say he now gives the deal a 70% chance of happening as opposed to a few days ago when it
but one prominent democrat today suggesting he's more confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. >> three days ago i would have said that the chances of something being worked out were at best 20%. i feel a little bit more comfortable believing that something is going to be worked out, give it about a 70% chance. the fact that boehner and the president have pretty much gotten to a point where they'll be sitting down trying to work this out as opposed to a lot of cooks in the kitchen, i...
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just around the corner, a fiscal cliff deadline that is personal here. >> i just can't imagine funding being cut at this point. it would be tragic. >> reporter: she is worried mandatory budget cuts would hurt food safety inspection. that mattered to her since her twins were born in 1999. >> she was in the hospital for two weeks, luke for three. >> reporter: she and her babies got list teara poisoning from meat she ate while pregnant. contaminated food sickens about 48 million people a year, 3,000 people die. so the fda and the usda's food safety and inspection service are charged with protecting the food supply. an 8.2% budget cut translates to a combined 157 million dollars. there is no word exactly what cuts would mean to inspectors staffing. >> both fda and usda are stretched pretty thin when it comes to the inspection activities in the food safety work they do. they really need an increased resources and not fewer resources. >> agencies always say they're stretched. >> reporter: dean clancy is with freedom works, an organization that promotes smaller government and he says the cuts
just around the corner, a fiscal cliff deadline that is personal here. >> i just can't imagine funding being cut at this point. it would be tragic. >> reporter: she is worried mandatory budget cuts would hurt food safety inspection. that mattered to her since her twins were born in 1999. >> she was in the hospital for two weeks, luke for three. >> reporter: she and her babies got list teara poisoning from meat she ate while pregnant. contaminated food sickens about 48...
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cliff he would still rather campaign than cooperate. and we'll find out this week if he has the will to change path and get something done or just double down on the campaigning. look, the election's over. the president may enjoy these political rallies, but it's really time to get serious. the american people are bravely concerned about the nation's future. they are counting on us to prevent the kind of crisis here that we have seen unfolding all across europe. republicans have engaged in these discussions in good faith. we have agreed to make tough choices. the question is where's the president? where is the president? where's the only man in the country who can make it happen? well, it appears that with just a couple of weeks left to resolve this crisis, he is busy moving the goal post. instead of leading as he was elected to do, he's out campaigning and playing games with the nation's future. so my sincere plea this morning is that the president gets serious, that he put the campaign behind him and lead. if he does, he will have wil
cliff he would still rather campaign than cooperate. and we'll find out this week if he has the will to change path and get something done or just double down on the campaigning. look, the election's over. the president may enjoy these political rallies, but it's really time to get serious. the american people are bravely concerned about the nation's future. they are counting on us to prevent the kind of crisis here that we have seen unfolding all across europe. republicans have engaged in...
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immigration and tax reform post the fiscal cliff will create a legacy and may see congress doing something. >> that is why it is so important that they figure out a way to come together before the end of the year hopefully. if the environment is poisoned like it was after the stimulus, after the health care debate, the next four years will be ugh low. >> that's true. the higher number of women increases the chances. we will see. >> i saw the women here smiling. we were talking about how collaborative they were. the guys, not so much. >> we don't smile. i agree. the more women the better. i'm agreeing with you. can i say nothing? i said the more women, the better. i'm agreeing with you. the more women, the less self destructive egos and getting to a deal. do you have a problem with that. >> no,i don't. >> go with it. i give up. >> all right. still ahead, hollywood mogul joins us on set and author sebastian younger will be here. more morning joe in a moment. ♪ for over 40 years, we've brought our passion for fine coffee and espresso to people everywhere. but one place was impossible, until
immigration and tax reform post the fiscal cliff will create a legacy and may see congress doing something. >> that is why it is so important that they figure out a way to come together before the end of the year hopefully. if the environment is poisoned like it was after the stimulus, after the health care debate, the next four years will be ugh low. >> that's true. the higher number of women increases the chances. we will see. >> i saw the women here smiling. we were talking...
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. >> considering the significant consequences of falling off of the fiscal cliff you have would think the president would have some kind of an interest in finding a solution to the problem. however, it is now becoming increasingly obvious something is standing in the way. a reporter at the "new york times" is admitting, well it may just be obama's arrogance. >> stephanie: oh! [ applause ] >> stephanie: arrogance! >> what do you think he won an election or something? >> stephanie: yeah. >> sheeesh. >> stephanie: dog whistle. >> were you impersonating a dog whistle. woo woo? >> no, i was not. >> you wouldn't hear a dog whistle. but that would distract the dog that was distracted by the farting machine. [ farting sounds ] >> even a monkey in a shearling coat would distract the dog. right >> stephanie: right. all right. rush limbaugh. >> i thought we were on track for much sooner than that. the obama plan to knock down america, obviously -- i'm surprised it is going to take that long. 2030 is another eightteen, seventeen years. >> stephanie: back away from denesh d'souza. >> whatever! >>
. >> considering the significant consequences of falling off of the fiscal cliff you have would think the president would have some kind of an interest in finding a solution to the problem. however, it is now becoming increasingly obvious something is standing in the way. a reporter at the "new york times" is admitting, well it may just be obama's arrogance. >> stephanie: oh! [ applause ] >> stephanie: arrogance! >> what do you think he won an election or...
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those are the tax increases that are coming regardless of what happens with the fiscal cliff. and those are the tax hikes that we're seeing because of president obama's health care law. people who have been following this closely know that president obama's health care law guarantees that middle-class families will pay higher taxes. the president promised repea repeatedly that he would not raise taxes on the middle class. as a matter of fact he said -- quote -- "if you're a family making less than $200,00200,000a year, my plan won't raise your taxes one opiniony. not your income taxes, not your payroll taxes, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes." that's what the president said. but once he got into office, president obama arranged for his health care plan to be written behind closed doors. democrats in congress passed it, and they did it strictly along party lines. this law has included more than 20 different tax increases. these tax increases amount to more than a trillion dollars over the next ten years. of those, a dozen taxes specifically targeted middle-cl
those are the tax increases that are coming regardless of what happens with the fiscal cliff. and those are the tax hikes that we're seeing because of president obama's health care law. people who have been following this closely know that president obama's health care law guarantees that middle-class families will pay higher taxes. the president promised repea repeatedly that he would not raise taxes on the middle class. as a matter of fact he said -- quote -- "if you're a family making...
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so, sandra, if we hit this fiscal cliff, all the spending cuts kick in, what effect will that have on air travel? >> reporter: the big unknown is still how it will affect the everyday traveler. and that is certainly something a lot of people here are wanting to figure out. as for the air traffic controllers union, they released a statement this afternoon saying that it would be a major blow to the airline industry as well as the economy if these cuts are in effect. now, overall, we're talking about a nearly $2.2 billion projected cut to the department of transportation. half of that would come from the faa, and the tsa would suffer a $643 million spending cut. so according to the head of the tsa, they do have a plan b. they have a plan in place ready to go if these cuts are in place. now, he says that the overall front line operations would not be effective, but this would be a major severe budget cut and a lot of travelers here we spoke to, brooke, say they are paying close attention to the negotiations. >> it does concern me because, yes, i do travel not extensively, but enough on m
so, sandra, if we hit this fiscal cliff, all the spending cuts kick in, what effect will that have on air travel? >> reporter: the big unknown is still how it will affect the everyday traveler. and that is certainly something a lot of people here are wanting to figure out. as for the air traffic controllers union, they released a statement this afternoon saying that it would be a major blow to the airline industry as well as the economy if these cuts are in effect. now, overall, we're...
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that's not what the american people thought the fiscal cliff was about. they thought it was about trying to have something to force us, force our congress and our president to do something about the deficit and debt situation. everything they're talking about will make it worse. >> what's the answer? will we have the deal? >> the real answer is to have comprehensive. look at this. i as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax reform laid out over a period of months, if we had entitlement reform. we have to control defense spending. we have to control other no non- -- other discretionary non-defense spending. i think if you have the whole package, i would hold my nose despite the fact raising those two tax brackets is bad economics, bad for jobs, will hurt the economy, i would hold my nose to get the other done. what i wouldn't do is vote for that and do nothing else. >> agree completely. what i've been saying here. steve rattner. >> i agree completely. to get a big deal we all have to hold our nose a l
that's not what the american people thought the fiscal cliff was about. they thought it was about trying to have something to force us, force our congress and our president to do something about the deficit and debt situation. everything they're talking about will make it worse. >> what's the answer? will we have the deal? >> the real answer is to have comprehensive. look at this. i as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax...
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listen to what he says about the fiscal cliff? >> i think no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two. the president has staked out a position of nonseriousness, i think it's difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. >> he's saying go over the cliff rather than accept what the president wants right now. >> i don't need to remind you this is the house speaker who shut down the government and that didn't work so well for the republicans. going over the cliff is something i don't think they want to do earlier. as i keep saying, wolf. the irony to me here is that the larger issues are things they really understand how to resolve, if you look at all their proposals. they just can't get there, because they can't agree on this revenue issue. where does the revenue come from. do you raise the rates on the wealthy? if you do, how much? and that's actually in the whole realm of things a sticking point that one would presume if they got in a room, they
listen to what he says about the fiscal cliff? >> i think no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two. the president has staked out a position of nonseriousness, i think it's difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. >> he's saying go over the cliff rather than accept what the president wants right now. >> i don't need to remind you this is...
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the fiscal cliff is a creation of the republican party. had it not been for a republican party that was unwilling to grant this president an extension on the debt ceiling -- >> which every other president has been able to get in a bi-partisan fashion. >> absolutely. then we wouldn't be here right now. we would not be on the edge of the cliff. it's a precarious thing to negotiate around when you consider we might get thrown into a recession if we do go over it. but the more i watch the right, it the more it looks like something is going to have to budge over there. you look at the pugh poll that came out yesterday. 53% of americans would blame republicans if we go over the cliff. only 26% would blame president obama. >> yeah. >> what do we knew about polling? that there are 20% of americans that will always side with republicans. george bush left office with a 20% hard-core approval rating. the iraq war seven years in had a 20% approval rating. so obviously it's that 20% that's blaming the president. >> exactly. carl fritsche here with us a
the fiscal cliff is a creation of the republican party. had it not been for a republican party that was unwilling to grant this president an extension on the debt ceiling -- >> which every other president has been able to get in a bi-partisan fashion. >> absolutely. then we wouldn't be here right now. we would not be on the edge of the cliff. it's a precarious thing to negotiate around when you consider we might get thrown into a recession if we do go over it. but the more i watch...
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so really it's all about the fiscal cliff, guys. i wish i had something a little more light and fun for you on a monday morning. >> nothing like going through friday's numbers, down to 7.7%. a lot of chatter over the weekend that was only because people were getting out of the workforce in record numbers, et cetera, et cetera. what's your take? what's wall street's take on the numbers on friday? >> reporter: it's like this. it's like i reported on friday. it's better than expected. what we did in our "street signs" was why are the expectations so low? i went through the numbers, back to 2002, ten years ago. 57 months in the past ten years, we have gained more than 200,000 jobs, but now 146,000 is considered good because the expectations are low. so, yes, the number was better than expected but i think as a nation many people we talked to say up to the point where we could add 200,000, 250,000 jobs a month because that will help reduce the deficit. growth is actually the best solution to reducing the deficit. it's not tax hikes. it's
so really it's all about the fiscal cliff, guys. i wish i had something a little more light and fun for you on a monday morning. >> nothing like going through friday's numbers, down to 7.7%. a lot of chatter over the weekend that was only because people were getting out of the workforce in record numbers, et cetera, et cetera. what's your take? what's wall street's take on the numbers on friday? >> reporter: it's like this. it's like i reported on friday. it's better than expected....